HERE'S THE LATEST ON THE NASTY 7 BOAT. WE HAVE BEEN APPROVED
TO LIST THE BOAT AS A SEA SCOUT VESSEL WITH THE BOY SCOUTS OF AMERICA
AND WE ARE GETTING AN INSURANCE POLICY TO COVER THE BOAT.
I'M ALSO WORKING ON THE SPECIAL CATEGORY GRANT THAT THE BOAT IS ELIGIBLE
TO RECEIVE, WHICH GOES TO $ 350,000.00. THIS HAS A DEADLINE OF MAY 31, 2002 AND
AN AWARD DATE OF SEPT 31, 2002.
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We have tried drumming up
some private interests but so far we haven't had anyone commit yet. I sent copies of them and several sets of pictures to Jim Thomas and
he has sent them on to Dan, so they will probably be on the website soon also. We
still have to make arrangements to get the engines shipped here yet also. The
boat is rough but nothing that time and a lot of love can't handle. I think that
is about it for now. I'll try to be a little more prompt in keeping you updated
in the future. Have a good weekend Jerry.
down @ the marina by 7:20 am Monday the 10th and they already had the boat
pushed out on the elevator. We had them take the props off while the boat was
out of the water, which was a good idea, they had a hell of a time getting them
off. They had the props setting on deck also by the time I arrived there, I was
so afraid that they would forget them, another reason I wanted to be there. They
started knocking some of the side supports out and that finished they started
lowering her about 0800. She was in the water by 0815 and I rode her out to the
covered pier where we tied her up. The first thing I did was to get my flashlight
and go below and check the bilges and she was filling up which was discouraging,
but we pumped her out 3 times, about every 15 or 20 minutes and by 0930 the
water had slowed down a great deal which raised my morale. We kept a check on
her for the next couple of hours and the water had slowed down to a trickle. The
staff there at Bradford reassured me that she was quite safe to tow to Daytona
Beach. I left the marina about 1130,checked out of the motel and drove home. I
called the marina last week to see how she was doing and they said good that the
pumps were only coming on 2 or 3 times a day, which is surely good
Now for the rest of the story. Bob had made arrangements with an
old boat works yard here on a large lake on the St Johns River to have the boat
put up on blocks so we could restore her, but the present owners wife got into
the picture and she didn't want a big boat in her back yard. During world war 2
they use to build tugs for the navy, so that shot that place. We tried a couple
of other ideas and they didn't work out either. My shop and home is here at the
Deland Airport and just down the street there is a Navy Aircraft Museum, I was
going by it one day and said hmmm I wonder, so I called Bob and he called the
curator of the museum and we all met there and discussed it, and he was all for
it, so I went to the assistant city manger, he thought it was a great idea and
Bob and I and the curator went to see the city airport director and he was all
for it, but said we would have to go before the city commissioners, which we did
that following Monday night, Bob made his presentation and I passed around my
pictures of the # 13 boat that were taken when I was on it, they ask a couple of
questions about it's future use which we answered and they passed it hands down
and gave us all the encouragement in the world. Now we have a home for
Jim; Nothing new since we last talked,
S.O.S(tuff). # 7 is still setting down
there in water and nothing has changed. Meanwhile she is setting in water with a lot of right down to
the bare wood spots and I am worried about a lot more damage being done. March the 1st starts Bike Week here and we have several donation containers
made up to put in several of the bars and other places the Bikers hang out
in. One of the more popular motorcycle repair shops here in Deland had a
party yesterday. I took one of the containers and some booklets I made up on
the boat over there and spread them around as well as my big book with all
the pictures in it as well. I talked to a lot of people and they all thought
it was a good thing, but in 4 hours I collected only $2.00, Kind of
discouraging. I hope that isn't going to be the trend.
That's about it for now. Have a good night. Jerry
Photo Group 3:
Pictures 1 shows her sitting on the elevator, ready to be lowered
into the water.
Pictures 2 thru 7 show her being lowered into the water
Pictures 8 thru 14 show her being towed to and moored to the pier where she will remain
until all arrangements have been made to tow her
to Daytona Beach.
Picture 5 & 6 shows the propellers on board and secured for the journey to
Once we got her moored we checked the bilges and the water was still
coming in at a pretty good rate, which kind of discouraged us a little. The
bilges were pumped out twice after being checked. The third time that
they were pumped out, we waited for a few minutes and checked again
and it appeared that the water had slowed down quite a bit. We checked
the bilges a couple of times over the next half hour and the water had
slowed down quite a bit more, which encouraged us quite a bit. The staff at the
marina insured me that it would now be safe to tow it .
Photo Group 2:
Pictures 1 thru 3 show the bottom of the hull that has been scraped
and cleaned and epoxied to temporarily stop the leaking or at least slow it
down for the trip up the intercoastal waterway to Daytona Beach. There it
will be taken out of the water and placed on a house moving rig to move it
to the Deland Airport. At least that is the proposed schedule at this time. The men in picture
4 are Jim Parker and Andre of the Bradford
Photo Group 1:
PTF # 7 was moved to Bradford Marine Feb. 5th 2002 and taken out of the water Feb. 6th
2002 to inspect the damage done by the previous attempt to tow it to Deland and the ravages of time.
The following pictures were taken on Feb 7th and 8th 2002.
Pictures #1 shows her sitting up on blocks from 100 yards.
There is a cute story about the Yacht sitting beside her. She ran aground
on a reef somewhere in the Bahaman Islands. The story goes that the owner
was on the bridge with the Captain and he was looking thru a pair of binoculars and telling the Captain that he could see white
Captain insisted they were in 3000 feet of water. Guess who is looking for
another job. The grounding did considerable damage to the propellers,
shafts and rudders, and they all have to he replaced.
Pictures 4 & 5 show the damage of the towing accident and the ravages of time and not being cared for.
Pictures 6 & 7 show the bottom and the bad spots that time and not
being taken care of has done. We have been told that the boat has sat in
the water since 1978 with nothing being done to take care of it. They also
show how the boat is blocked up so we can do it when the boat gets to it's
restoration destination, which at this point is behind the U.S. Naval Air
Museum at the Deland (FL) Airport. The propellers were also removed at this
time and stored on deck on pallets and lashed down.
Hi Dan - I also received the note regarding the bullnose stamping...pretty conclusive proof I would say. I still can't imaging anyone switching the radar from a Trumpy to a Nasty...If you wanted to do that, you would install a modern radar on her ???
In any event, very glad to hear another PTF will be preserved - wish I lived on the east coast - would love to see it..
Keep up the good work!
Hi Bob - just got your note about the BSA acquiring a PTF...Great!
Thought I'd add my 2-cents to the issue of hull number - sending it to all on your distribution list - maybe others can add to this.
I was Officer in Charge of PTF-17 (the boat currently on display in Buffalo) from 1973-1975 while she was assigned to Coastal River Division 21 based at Great Lakes Ill. The Division also had PTF-18 and PTF-19 along with the USS Asheville, Crockett and Marathon gunboats.
I looked at the photo of "PTF-7" on Dan's webpage (the starboard-bow photo of the PTF in gray paint moored at the marina). Note the straight slotted-waveguide radar antenna on that boat. It is the distinctive antenna on the LN-66 radar that was installed on the Trumpy Class PTF's, hull numbers 17-22 built by John Trumpy in Annapolis Md in 1968. PTF-16 and earlier (the Nasty's) had a curved radar antenna (I believe it was made by Decca).
If the radar antenna on "PTF-7" is the original radar antenna (can't believe anyone would have changed it), that boat is definitely NOT PTF-7.
Another distinctive feature of the Trumpy's is the use of Onan diesel generators. The Nasty's had Perkins diesel generators. Are the generator still installed?
I also know the builders nameplate from PTF-19 was removed before the boat was returned to Coastal River Squadron 1 in Little Creek (sometime in June 1976) so the definitive identifying plate is not on PTF-19 anymore. (It was mounted on the aft bridge bulkhead just to the left of the access way).
Another characteristic that sets PTF-19 apart from PTF-17 and 18 (and likely all others) was the installation of carpet and metal "edging" on the removable deckplates in the crews quarters and galley - the others were just painted...That was an unauthorized BOATALT done by the crew of PTF-19. That carpet may well be gone by now but if your boat has carpet on those plates it's further evidence that she is the 19.
When CRS1/CRD21 were commissioned, they were assigned to Naval Inshore Warfare Atlantic which also owned the Seal Team (LANT) and several other "amphib" units. Curious to know how NAVSPECWAR came to the conclusion that that boat is PTF-7 - I am sure that Navy record keeping would have a hard time tracing the lineage of these boats.
Also, PTF-17,18 and 19 had AN/GRC-109 radio sets bolted to the forward bulkhead on the radio room, about eye-level. I removed those radios in 1973 after getting permission from CRS1 since they were obsolete and non functional at the time. If there are repaired holes on that bulkhead, it's further evidence that she is the 19 (pretty sure the GRC-109's were not on earlier PTF's).
Another possible identifier is under the paint. In late 1975 we tried an experimental camouflage paint scheme on the 17, 18 and 19. The 19 boat had a series of long triangles painted in her sides and bridge in Haze Gray and Flat Black - if that is still visible under (many?) subsequent coats of paint, she is the 19 boat. (PTF-17 and 18 had different patterns). The boats were restored to "Marine 123" flat green before they went back to Little Creek, probably by painting-over the camo..
Hope this info helps. Tim Sammons (CAPT USNR - Ret)
HERE ARE A FEW SHOTS OF PTF7 DRY DOCKED AT BRADFORD MARINE CENTER IN
FT. LAUDERDALE. JERRY FIFIELD, BOB JUNKINS AND MYSELF MET WITH THE INSURANCE
REP AND IT LOOKS LIKE WE'LL BE MOVING TO DAYTONA IN A COUPLE OF WEEKS.
THE PROPS WERE REMOVED AND ARE LASHED TO THE DECK, THE NOSE AREA WAS SCRAPED
AND PATCHED. THE BOAT WAS REFLOATED 11 FEB 02, WITH ONLY A MINOR LEAK. YOU
SHOULD NOTE, THAT THE BLACK AREA BELOW THE WATER LINE IS A PROTECTIVE MEMBRANE
THAT SEALS THE HULL, IT'S 1/16 OF AN INCH THICK AND IN GOOD SHAPE, WITH A MINIMAL
NUMBER OF BARNACLES. THE ROPE LOCKER AND CREWS HEAD FORWARD OF THE NO. 2
WATERTIGHT BULKHEAD WILL HAVE TO BE REBUILT.
WE SCRAPED PAINT ON THE BULLNOSE AND FOUND THE HULL NUMBER STAMPED INTO THE
METAL. ADD THESE PHOTOS TO THE WEB SITE AND WE'LL KEEP YOU UPDATED.
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||Bob Junkins Scraping
DAN, PTF 7 HAS BEEN HAULED OUT OF THE WATER IN FT. LAUDERDALE AT BRADFORD MARINE
CENTER. THE HULL WILL BE PATCHED AND SHE WILL RE-FLOATED ON MONDAY 11 FEB 2002. I HAVE TO COORDINATE THE MOVE IN THE NEXT FEW DAYS
AND EXPECT THE BOAT TO BE TOWED IN TWO WEEKS. WE ARE STILL SCRAMBLING FOR
FUNDS AS WE HAVE HAD TO MOVE FAST. I HAVE LOCATED THE BOAT'S NUMBER ON THE
BULLNOSE AND HAVE CONFIRMED THAT THIS IS PTF 7, THE NUMBER WAS CLEARLY STAMPED
IN THE METAL AND IS ABOUT ONE INCH IN HEIGHT. IT WAS NOTED THAT THE
BOAT HAD A WATER PROOF MEMBRANE ON THE HULL GOING FROM THE WATER LINE TO THE
KEEL. THE KEEL IS INTACT AND SHOWED NO EVIDENCE OF SAG AND LOOKS VERY SOLID
THE AREA FORWARD OF THE FIRST WATER TIGHT BULKHEAD WILL HAVE TO BE REBUILT,
THE PROPS WERE REMOVED AND ARE IN GOOD SHAPE AND MEASURE AT 42 INCHES, PROP
RETAINING BOLTS IN EXCELLENT SHAPE. ON THE WHOLE THE BOAT LOOKS GOOD
JERRY TOOK A LOT OF PHOTOS AND WE WILL BE SENDING THOSE SOON.
WILL KEEP YOU UP TO DATE
BSA TROOP 544 PTF 7
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Hey Guys, The Deland city commission tonight approved our request to put the
ptf # 7 up on blocks and work on it here @ the Deland Naval Air Museum. The
reason they had to be involved is the Deland Airport is owned and operated by
the City of Deland. Once Bob McCray presented all the information and they
asked a couple of questions concerning the future use of the boat, they
passed it unanimously without hesitation, thought it was a great project. Everyone
that we have talked to here in this area think it absolutely great.
We haven't had one negative thing said about it that I am aware of. It's
really great to know we have that kind of support from the local people. Now
all we got to do is get it up here and we are working on that. They are going
to pull it out of the water tomorrow and we are going to be down there
Thursday with the surveyor and get things on the way to get it up here
hopefully by the first of March. Got to go now, thought you would like to
hear the good news. Jerry
FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO MAY NOT BE AWARE PTF 7, HAS BEEN DONATED TO BOY SCOUT
TROOP 544 OF ORANGE CITY, FL. THE BOAT PREVIOUSLY IDENTIFIED AS PTF 19 ON DAN'S
WEBSITE IS ACTUALLY PTF 7, WE RECEIVED THE NAVAL SPECIAL WARFARE CENTERS CERTIFICATE
OF BUILD IDENTIFYING THE PTF WITH THE HULL NUMBER 7. WE ARE IN THE PROCESS
OF MOVING THE BOAT FROM FT. LAUDERDALE, FL TO DELAND, FL. FOR RESTORATION. WE HAVE
RECEIVED A GREAT DEAL OF SUPPORT FROM PRESERVATION TRUST GROUPS THAT ARE
WAIVING THEIR 50 YEAR AGE EQUIPMENTS DUE TO THE HISTORICAL NATURE OF THE BOAT.
WE ARE PREPARING GRANT REQUEST WITH THEIR GUIDANCE TO ACCESS FUNDS FOR THE
PROJECT, BUT WE WILL NOT SEE ANY MONEY TILL THE END OF SUMMER 2002. WE ARE
IN A SHORT TERM BIND, WE HAVE TO MOVE THE BOAT BY LATE FEB 2002 OR BEGIN INCURRING
LARGE DOCK FEES. I HAVE ATTACHED A LETTER BEGGING FOR MONEY
FROM ANY WHO CAN HELP. IF YOU KNOW OF ANYONE OR COMPANY THAT MIGHT HELP
GIVE THEM A COPY OF THIS LETTER AND LET THEM KNOW THAT THIS IS WORTHY CAUSE
THAT WILL PRESERVE A PTF IN WORKING ORDER, THAT WILL SERVE AS A SEA SCOUT TRAINING
VESSEL AND LIVING HISTORY MUSEUM THAT WILL BE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC, HONORING
THOSE WHO SERVED ABOARD THESE BOATS.
BSA TROOP 544
ORANGE CITY, FLORIDA
TEL 386/ 775-8597
THE PTF IDENTIFIED AS PTF 19 IN FT LAUDERDALE MARINA IS IN FACT PTF 7 AS
STATED BY THE BOATS PREVIOUS OWNER BILL NORTON, AND HAS BEEN DONATED TO BOY SCOUT
TROOP 544 IN ORANGE CITY, FLORIDA. THE BOAT WILL BE TOWED AT THE EARLIEST POSSIBLE DATE TO SANFORD,
FLORIDA FOR RESTORATION. THE BOAT WILL SERVE AS A LIVING MUSEUM AND TRAINING VESSEL, THE BOAT WILL
GO ON CRUISES TO STATE PARKS AND SEA PORT MUSEUMS. I AM LOOKING FOR TECHNICAL ASSISTANCE AND ANY HISTORICAL
INFORMATION ON THE NUMBER 7 BOAT. WE ARE ALSO LOOKING FOR ASSISTANCE IN GETTING THE BOAT MOVED, WE HAVE
RECEIVED QUOTES RANGING FROM $ 15,000 TO $ 30,000 FOR A COMMERCIAL TOW. WE HAVE THE EXPERTISE TO TOW THE
BOAT OURSELVES, BUT LACK THE BOAT FOR THE JOB.
BSA TROOP 544
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